The narrative of a black chef didn’t exist. Black people have always cooked and been part of serving but not from a chef perspective. Not in these establishments — the three-star, highest establishments. So when they say ‘Marcus Samuelsson’ coming in — that’s a Swedish name, and then they saw me, it was a shock. I was not applying for the dishwashing job. I was applying for a chef job, so being able to, in a non-threatening way, and getting the job just like anybody else — they were just not used to it. They had just never seen it, ever.